Episode 45: Embrace the Power Within: The Secret to Transformation with Susan Burrell

In today’s episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with author and podcaster, Susan Burrell. With 25 years of experience helping and guiding women, Susan shares her best-kept secrets to transforming your own life and fully embracing your power. Grab your notepad and a pen, you don’t want to miss these gems!

Doing the Inner Work

• Check the wisdom of your heart. 
• Ask yourself a series of questions: What’s the solution? What’s the question? What do I need to know now? What am I supposed to learn here? What have I learned?
• Transition into a place of neutrality and letting go.
• Learn how to love yourself more and trust your intuition.

Taking the First Step

• Apply spiritual practices like meditating, journaling, becoming better aligned with yourself and doing the things that make you happy and bring peace.

Community Support

• Find someone who can guide you through the healing process! Don’t do it alone.
• Gain support from a counselor, a therapist, a spiritual guide, or a circle of women who you can be vulnerable with.

Letting Go

• It’s ok to feel. Find ways to let go of your hurt and anger appropriately. The intention is to get out of it.
• What you focus on, you become. It’s the law of attraction. Focus on the thing that you want.
• When you focus on your past, you’re manifesting your past into your future.
• Who you were is not who you are now. Who you are now has a fresh beginning.
• Once you have acknowledged and communicated that hurt and pain to someone or have written it down, you then have to close that chapter of your life and put it behind you.

Living an Empowered Life

• In order to feel better about yourself, you have to do the inner work.
• The only way you can build a sustainable change in your life is by doing the work within you.
• Acknowledge what’s keeping you stuck so you can move forward.
• Write the story.

Write the Story

• Once you get the story out, you can see what you’ve been afraid of or angry about.
• If there’s anger, usually it’s masking fear and sometimes fear is masking grief that we don’t want to feel.
• We all have a book in us that is based on our journey, experiences and lessons that we’ve learned along the way.

The High Vibration of Love

• Love is the healing agent and connects us.
• When we’re in love, we feel open, self-expressive, more welcoming to others and kind.

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LINKS:
Book | Live Your Empowered Life, 30-Day Journey: https://www.susanburrell.com/book

Website: https://www.susanburrell.com/

Podcast | Empowering Chats with Susan Burrell: https://www.susanburrell.com/podcasts

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Transcript

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Welcome back for season two. Of the out of your mind podcast. On today's episode, I had the opportunity to sit down with Susan Burrell. Author of live your empowered life a 30 day journey and the host of the podcast empowering chats with susan Burrell. Susan shares with us. 25 years of experience of working with women. And through her own journey and this 25 years of guiding others. Susan shares some of her best kept secrets to transforming your own life. And fully embracing your power. You're not going to want to miss this episode so let's dive

Pam: 1:30

All right. Well, Susan, thank you so much for being here. Back from my summer break diving back into the fall I really appreciate your willingness to be on the podcast and share your story and all the amazing things that are gonna come from

Susan: 1:42

this conversation. I'm excited to see what comes out of our mouths.

Pam: 1:46

that's perfect. So I would love for you to share. How you ended up here doing this work what is your story that brought you to the place where you're now empowering women on their journeys? I would love to hear how you got there.

Susan: 1:59

It's interesting because whenever I'm asked that question, I'm like, oh right. Which, which segment of my life am I gonna share today? So, so basically from the ripe old age of. 16 or 17, I started spiritually questing. And so I was like reading metaphysical books in my twenties. I studied with a medicine woman, a shaman, I just wanted to know what my, what reality really is, what and it ends up being that it's a, that we live and move in a energetic Sy system that is. Attuned to a higher frequency than we can taste, smell, feel here. So each, and every individual on planet earth is connected to this. What I call source energy. And it's an indescribable source. What I then did is created small circles. I like to work with, have people help me, I don't like doing shit by myself. So I started these small circles and when and so like the first one, we were reading metaphysical books and the intention of the circle was we were all actors and we were gonna get together and supporting each other and getting. Acting gigs, but as we evolved, which is also the reason why we're all here on planet earth to evolve from the inside out. As we evolved, we were got into all this metaphysical conversation and reading and. Course, some miracles, I'm dropping names now. And and then when that circle fell complete, then as my growth, I became a mom, then I needed a mom circle. Cause I'm like, who knows how to do this crap? Literally. And and so then I had this mom circle that lasted about 10 years with, working moms stay at home moms moms that were doing homeschooling. So it was a very eclectic group that I learned so much from, and it broadened my perspective of mothering, right. Of being a conscious mom, not a pulling my hair out crazy mom. And so that's how my life has kind of evolved. And Became a spiritual practitioner and teacher, and I've been teaching spiritual principles for 30 years, 30 years. Wow. And and that also then I wa I wanted to really focus on women because I, the other half of this journey I've been on is I was in. A marriage of 28 years, we Crested 25 years. I thought, oh man, sh we didn't get divorced. We've made it. And then three years later, my now ex-husband said I'm done. What I learned going through divorce is I made choices to be consciously awake. So going through the pain, the heart shattering. Brokenness the shame that started showing up because I'd been with this guy for 28 years. And how did I not know the truth of who he really was narcissist, mm-hmm so I didn't know. I, I just didn't know. And I kept being, I kept changing myself, until I was a pretzel in not any yoga position you can ever imagine. Trying to make this marriage work. And during the course of the marriage, I became, my health was deeply affected. I nine years in, I, I, we still hadn't conceived a baby and nine years in, I ended up in the hospital almost dying because I became immediately, well not, I mean, it took a couple years a type one diabetic insulin, independent so, and come to find out. When you are in an ongoing, emotional and mental, not necessarily physical, cuz there was no physical abuse, but emotional and mental abuse. You me, the individual that is being perpetrated on takes it out on their own body because there's so many there's gas lighting. There's misdirection there. Shaming you and blaming you at me, me and and so I didn't know where it, where I was. And so when I went into divorce, I recognized I had Zippo. Self-esteem had no self-esteem. I had been battered so badly and and I didn't love myself. I didn't respect myself. Hence why I stayed in for 28 years. And and so the gift now in hindsight was this horrific. Contentious divorce where my heart was shattered and I was ashamed. And I, and and I had gained some weight, which is a family of origin issue, and I'm like, who's gonna want this body. And I was in my early fifties. I knew I had a second half. I I am a relationship oriented person. I, like I said earlier I don't like doing stuff by myself. Right. I. A relationship person. Yeah. And so I knew I had to clean myself up from the inside out again, this goes back to my spiritual practices. So I pulled out all the stops and when every once in a while, when I would accidentally see my ex-husband, cuz I, I literally stopped all contact. I would, I, there was one day I saw him in the parking lot and I was in my car getting ready to drive and. Immediately dizzy, immediately dis physical. So I was experiencing physical manifestations of these emotions that I had suppressed for probably all my life. Yeah. But at least 28 years that were coming out and being dizzy. I hiked, I had hives from my eyeballs down to my ankles for one year, one year daily. Daily it'd show up in another place. I'm like, oh God, what why? And it was all over. And it was suppressed rage that was coming out through my skin. And the dizziness was another form of unexpressed rage. Like I, I couldn't even get my head around it, so I'm just spinning, it took me 20 minutes to get back in my body so I could drive. And I'm sharing all this with your listeners, because if you're caught in a situation like that, literally you're caught you're enchanted at least I was, I had a, I had wine with a couple of girlfriends a couple days ago, and this one woman who's been divorced 20 years now. And still trying to figure out why she was. Her husband ex-husband, she turns me and she goes, isn't it interesting. Why do you suppose we fell for guys like that? And I went well, I didn't fall for my ex-husband. I was entrapped because I. Intuitively knew to stay away from that. And intuitively knew I didn't wanna date him and he pursued me. And when I finally went on one date, I was, he immediately was spewing stuff that were my key. Markers, he started talking about the course in miracles. We saw a shooting star in Hollywood of all places. Yeah. Where do you a shooting star? Not somebody walking down the street. So where do you see that? And all these things. I was like oh, maybe this is the guy. So I was completely spellbound. I use these words deliberately. Yeah. Completely spell bound. So getting out of all of that became I knew I wanted to. Have I knew I wanted to be free. I started focusing on instead of, oh my God, how horrible and why did I do this? And I'm sh ashamed. I focused on, I wanted to, I knew I wanted to love myself more than I ever had in my entire life. I wanted to respect myself. I wanted to have freedom free from the past free from him, free, financial freedom, all of that. And I wanted to have. Beyond anything I had ever experienced. Now, when you haven't experienced an abundance of those things ever, that sounds like a pretty high calling, yeah. Oh, I just, I wanna be happy. And I had friends that would say, well, do what makes you happy? I'm like what the. Oh, sorry. I almost did it again. You

Pam: 10:17

can, what are you talking

Susan: 10:19

about? I don't, cause when you don't know yourself, when you don't love and respect yourself, you can't say, oh, well this makes me happy. Going for a walk in nature makes me happy. No I couldn't figure it out. And it actually, I resented those people saying, oh, don't worry after divorce, you'll be so much happier. No. See I'm in a lot of pain. felt shackled to my ex-husband energetically, which I was. So I did a lot of spiritual practices to release the energetic hold that he had on me for 30 years. And like cutting cords one day I was like going through divorce papers and so upset and I'm walking around my kitchen and I was like, oh my, I felt constricted. I'm like, what is that about? And so I sat. Meditation chair could be because I'm big on meditating and journaling. And I looked at it, I went within, I do, when I work with clients, with women who are challenged in many ways, I usually am inspired or called by spirit to do a guided meditation, to help them see not with their physical brain or. Physical eyes, but from an intuitive sense of what is really going on. So I sat down and I felt like I was in this fisherman's net just completely, and I couldn't get out, and when you see pirates of the Caribbean and they all get caught in that net yes. Or whatever. And so I just energetically started cutting the net so I could get out. And honestly, Pam, within. Two minutes. I was getting nasty texts from my husband, bang ex-husband. I was like, oh my God. Look at that. That is how entwined I was. Yep. His energy was entwined in mind. And the reason why I found out years later after I extricated myself and divorced him that it's because narcissists love empathic, intuitive, loving people. So they can suck their energy dry. They siphon you off and they leave you with nothing. And I was close to empty. Yeah. So, so that's where I am now is having done the inner work within myself and believe me is it's ongoing thing. It's ongoing. It's I've been divorced 10 years. It's still ongoing. My son. Excuse me, my son is getting married in October, this upcoming October, and I have to see this ex-husband that I hadn't seen in 10 years. So, so of course, other stuff, unresolved stuff comes up and I'm determined to be at that wedding as neutral as I can be, because I don't want I'm. I'm done. I'm done. Well, okay. So there's when you go through divorce and I'm working with I've worked with a co a few women that have had really nasty divorces and you want to get your justice. You want to have your financial wellness. You want to have, you want that person who has harmed you mentally and emotionally. To suffer pay the consequences. Yes. You want justice, but that isn't how things work. Energetically. The most important thing is when you go through traumas like that, and I'm not saying this lightly to people, when you experience a trauma like that, it is because it is about your personal, not, it has nothing to do with them. Believe it or not. And I mean, I was crying in a heap on my kitchen floor many times cuz I thought it had everything to do with him. Right. Nothing to do with them. It has to do with your inner commitment in your soul. The part of your soul that has incarnated with you, who. We're gonna learn this lifetime. This is what we're gonna learn. We're gonna learn how to love ourselves and trust ourselves. And, at least for me and once I could really flip my mind about it and I've been doing a lot of inner work heart. Checking with the wisdom of my heart. I go to my heart first. What's the solution? What's the question. What do I need to know now? What am I supposed to learn here? I used to hate when people say, well, it's a learning thing. No, but having come out the other side in order for me to be happy and free and loving and kind, and all those qualities that I naturally intuitively am. I need to move into a place of neutrality and letting it all go. It has. And what have I learned? So what I've learned is to love myself more. What I've learned is to trust my intuition and believe me during this lockdown. That was what that's, who I trusted. Yeah. I didn't listen to the news. Didn't listen to my doctors. I listened to myself, I listened to. And when last year I got, we got my current spouse and I, we got called by our French family. We had an, a French exchange student to come to France. We got on a plane and went to France where most people were like how could you get on a plane? And how could you travel in a foreign country? I'm like easily. I did it easily. Right. So, so that, that entire. 30 years. And the contentious divorce process grew me from the inside out. It really grew me and I am now more embodying the person who I am and who I was always meant to be. So that was the longest journey story.

Pam: 16:13

It's not good. So I'm curious though, cuz you had talked, you, as you talked about this story and you, the divorce happened about a decade or so ago and and you talk about the process. Like it is a healing process and all that. And I obviously, I'm well aware of that. I'm curious when he first left, when the two of you first. And you were sitting with this overwhelming feeling that it was you, that it was about you, right. Because we all do. Yeah. And how did you get from that place to start to move

Susan: 16:45

to the

Pam: 16:46

direction of oh, there's a lesson here and, oh, this is a gift for me and all the perspectives you have

Susan: 16:50

now, how did you start? How did you take those first steps? Well, fir first of all, I was. I was fully loaded with tools before I started. And they were all spiritual tools meditating. And if I couldn't sit down and meditate, then it was journaling and it was journaling the crap out of my head about. Not journaling so I can look back and go, yeah, he did that to me. Whoa. But just get this outta my head, get the energy outta my body. I hiked an hour a day in nature. I was giving it up to the universe. I was surrendering everything. So I just did a lot of spiritual practices. But there's something you said in that question I wanted to address and now I can't.

Pam: 17:38

Okay, maybe we'll go. Maybe we'll land back there. That's fine. So it sounds like you, part of the process, you had a bunch of tools, which I think a lot of us have tools, whether we realize we have tools or not.

Susan: 17:49

We, and if you don't have tools, you need to find somebody who can guide you. Yes. Again, don't do this, don't do this alone. Everybody do it. Have somebody counselor, a therapist, a spiritual guide, a best. And I had a circle of women. Again, another circle of women during my divorce that I had one woman I could call who could read all the nasty emails and then tell me not to respond. I had another woman who could call and make me laugh. When I was sobbing. I had another woman who would pray. Okay. Let's just and just clear my energy system, so it was, so I always had a go to at about five women that were my go to during this entire time. And that right there supported me when I was, I thought I, I couldn't do it. Oh, so the main thing that I did is I CRI. I had a box of Kleenex, a box. I'm not talking about one tissue or the little packages you can put in your purse. No, I carried a box of Kleenex with me and if something hit me while I was driving, I pulled over and sobbed sob. So sobbed, sometimes I use the entire box, at night. So, so, so, so, so, and cause the grief and the sorrow. Had to be moved out of my body too, because otherwise any kind of heavy strong, intense emotion. Yeah. Especially if they're not so nice, emotions will download in the body and become a DISE. Hence, when I became diabetic I really believe in hindsight and now I can compliment my younger self. And apologize. I knew three years in that it was not right for me and I stayed 28. So, and I know there's lots of women like that. Lots of women there, and there's probably men too, but I only work with women, so I only know their stories, but yeah, so you, so crying was huge. And then, and then I could move and I was in therapy and my therapist was like, well, you're really angry. Because I'm hiding. You're really angry. Why don't you beat up this pillow? I'm like, just, I'm not doing that shit. Course then later when I was home by myself, cuz I wouldn't even wanna do that in front of somebody. So when I came home, made sure all the windows were closed, the blinds, the doors, nobody could hear me outside cuz they'd call the cops and I would just scream into this pillow and beat the crap out of it. I think I went through three pillows during that time, but yeah, so, so. The intention was to get it out of it. Have because of being a spiritual teacher and understanding the idea of what you focus on you become, right? It law of attraction, Abraham Hicks. I'm listening to Esther HS a lot lately, which has been a fabulous renewal. It you've got to focus on the thing you want, but if you are focusing constantly on. The rewind what was, and he'd done me wrong. You're getting more of that. And so it ha it takes conscious awareness and dedicated practice to shift your mind, even if it's just a couple of degrees from what was and who you think you were, because if you focus on your past, you're just putting your past in your future. Because. Who you were is not who you're now, who you were is not who you are now and who you are now has a fresh beginning because your mind and your mind aligned with your spiritual connection within your heart, which is the wisdom of the ages. It's ancient wisdom. When you are aligned with that in your now as much as you can hold a now moment, for me, it was. A millisecond right during that time. But as long as you can hold that, now moment, you can begin to eradicate in some ways your past, you can put it in the past where it belongs, but if you're constantly reviewing it, which lots of, I have a client who sits for about 15 minutes telling me her story of last week or the last year or that, yeah. Because she has to say it to someone I get. but once you've said it to someone or you've written it down in your journal, you close that chapter. Just put it behind you. So you can align with your spiritual essence and that is what will help you to co-create a better future. So that, to me the divorce was the ending, a completion of a part of my learning experience. That I just had to stay that long because I wasn't getting it. And the reason why I wasn't getting it is because my ex-husband was really good at keeping me spell bound and narcissists are really good at that. I've been researching and many people stay in long-term relationships with a narcissist because they don't understand that they are using. And abusing you, you just don't know until you get out and you go wow, it's like walking outta the movie theater. When you just watched a really scary Halloween movie and you come out and you're like, oh, thank God. I don't have to look at that anymore. Right. Right.

Pam: 23:08

Yeah. And I'm hearing a, I'm hearing you talk a lot about permission, like giving yourself permission, allowing yourself to feel, giving yourself permission to ask for help. Cause I think one of the things that we do as women is we have this I'm gonna, I just carry the world on my shoulders and I don't have to it's not just saying like when we say, and I do the same thing and what I'm hearing from you is that you're not just saying, get help. You're saying, give yourself permission. To ask for help.

Susan: 23:34

Like it's okay.

Pam: 23:35

You don't have to do it alone. Not don't do it alone, but you don't have. And I think that we have this, there's a subconscious story that says I've gotta do it myself. I've gotta figure it out myself. It's all on me. And what I'm hearing you say over and over again is one it's not all on you. There's lots of resources, spiritual resources, physical resources, right? There's people in your life, there's energy, there's all sorts of teachings. And through the ages and all the things that we can absorb, there's also this idea of you don't have to go it alone. You have the opportunity to ask for. And you have the right and you are worthy

Susan: 24:10

of getting the help

Pam: 24:11

that you

Susan: 24:12

need to move forward. I got chills, Pam, as you're saying I got chills. Oh my God. Because you're absolutely correct. Asking yourself for permission and your inner self is going. Yeah. Yeah, let's go. Let's do it. But the, but the abuse part of you doesn't get that you're worthy. You're valuable to even ask for permission. And it took me, I have I think I took it down, but I have post-its everywhere affirmations and the big one during divorce was ask for help because I always was doing it myself and consequently that permission, right. That I. Unconsciously allowing myself, cuz I just needed to, I needed help. I have now built a beautiful team that helps me in my personal business that helps me with my podcasting and they love working with me and for me, and I love working with them and that was always one of my dreams is to have people that aligned with me that wanted help put my my. Show on the road, basically, just put out what it is I do and support me in doing it. And they are all uniquely talented in the niches. They hold a, as my team, that each and every one of them does something. I, there is no, no way I could do I, and if I had to figure it out, just gimme again. I wouldn't. Right. I wouldn't do it. You're like, I don't need that, that bad. I'll just no, just I'll go without, that's fine. Right. Uhuh. Yeah. Right.

Pam: 25:40

And the other thing that I've heard you say a lot, which I really appreciate in this work that you're doing is this, when I asked, how did you know what steps to take and whatever. You're like, why I have these tools. And then when you talked about listening to Esther and listening to Abraham and kind of going, reviewing some of that stuff, you're like, I love being reminded of, I love like being brought back to that place of oh right, this is what's available to me. And this is here are my resources. And here are my tools that it is a, this journey that you are on, that you're also helping other people on is a constant journey of reattunement it's not like you learn it once and then it's there forever and then you're good. And then you don't need it. Oh, believe

Susan: 26:15

me. When I started, I was looking for the book, when I started age 16, 18, I'm like, where's the book of life, where's the book, right? Where's the manual. Yeah. Right. And then I knew if I could just find that book, I would do it right. Oh my God. That was such a crazy time. It's like that's how small my thinking was. It was so limited. And consequently, I'm always looking for the book, but the good news is because I'm, I am. A constant learner. And my soul craves information, my soul craves alignment, and I find alignment through which is why I'm so blessed to be a podcaster. I get to talk to amazing people. Right? You get to, yeah, I learn so much from the people I interview. But so, so what happened then? Pam is because this was, it was an intense journey. I wrote a. And my book is called live and empowered life, a 30 day journey. And it's a journey book and it's a workbook. Everybody who's listening. If you want it, it's a workbook because I really believe in order to feel better about yourself, you have to do the inner work. You can go to a medium or a Reiki master or a therapist or counselor or whatever coach. But the only way you have can build a sustainable change in your life is by doing the work within you. And so my book is everything I did plus affirmations I wrote when I was going through divorce. Everything I did as, and it's a journey to help people that feel stuck to excavate. What's keeping them stuck so they can move forward. So, so it starts with journaling and lot of people are like, and I'm like, I'm like, okay. So, so you gotta write the story. Like I said, I have people that come and sit in my office and like you do, and there's the story. And do you want the story to take up most of your. Most of your daily waking hours, or do you wanna move past the story beyond the story? So, so I encourage people to write out the story. And then there's a section where you, then what happens is once you've got most of the story out, you can see what you've been afraid of, right. Or angry about, if there's anger, usually it's masking fear and sometimes fear is masking grief. That we don't wanna feel. Low or depression. Right? So, so then I have a section where you face your fears and each and every section And again, there's light days where you're just reading an affirmation and journaling what you feel about that affirmation or think about it. And you use it during the day, but there's it's, the book is interactive with guided meditations on my website to, to help you realign as you move through it. Instructive videos, like how to do EFT tapping how to do a mind map because. After you've cleared a lot out. I want, I wanted people to end the journey with having a new sense of what their purpose is. So you end with life pur purpose and things like that. And again, it's interactive with videos I've done because I don't like doing this shit alone and I know that there's other people that, you know, okay. So it's a book, but. So, you are absolutely directed on day, I don't know, 14 go to the website and watch this meditation, or go to the website and learn how to do tapping and, yep. So that people feel like I'm there with them the whole time. Right. And yeah. So I, who knew, I didn't know I was gonna write a book and then. And then spirit and a couple of girlfriends said, why don't you write a book about that? You've got all of it in your computer. I was like, huh. I did. So. Yeah, really. I feel like we've all got a

Pam: 30:13

book in us, whether we read it or not. We've all got a book in us. Yeah, absolutely. Even if it's of our story, even if it's our journey and like the lessons we learn along the way, you talked. In retrospect, like once you were able to kind of, ex excavate some of the shit that you were going through, and some of the stuff that was piling up from an energetic and a spiritual perspective inside of you that you were able to you were able to see the lessons and like you were able to see what you needed to see, like why you were here, why you were on this 28, 30 year journey with this man. You your conscious mind, your thinking mind was like, this is fucked, but your subconscious was like, there's no I gotta stay here. I'm enmeshed. I intertwined in this. This is where I need to be. This is this is home. This is safe. This is security. Like all the stuff that, that you're absolutely right. Narcis are very gifted at, crafting it's like a web. And rooted in their own insecurity, fear, and like desperate fear of abandonment. Right? We all have our things that create the, the diagnoses, as a therapist forever, I could pull out the book and we could go through and look at all the different diagnoses. Right. We all have our stories that create that within us. And it's like the, it's the energetic shit that. Clogged up that then creates whether it's type one diabetes or, narcissistic personality disorder. It's the, it comes from the same source. Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean that being able to kind of clear through and excavate and then find the wisdom and the lessons. I think we can all have the opportunity to do that, but it takes a desire to

Susan: 31:42

look at it. It does, it takes a desire and it, but also for me, Pam, it was. Because I had dedicated my life to being consciously aware, consciously evolving and and not just transforming, but transmuting. And especially the last few years there, I've been working with the idea of alchemy so that I am trans, I am literally transforming within. And my physical body is now beginning to to heal. And am I gonna be done with being a type one insulin dependent diabetic after 30 years? I'm I ha I'm not, I'm holding out hope. I really am. And my doctors are, I finally found doctors that. Okay. You want, I'm willing and they're not forcing me to do things I don't wanna do. Yeah. Because the, on their agenda on their, with the pharmaceutical companies, their agenda is you do a, B and C. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not gonna do that, but here's what I am doing. And all of my doctors are like, wow. So to the point where again, I called another circle. These are Powerful intuitive. Practitioners, healers. I called them together last year and we're still together. We meet in consciousness once a week. Because I, that was my focus. I wanted to heal my body of diabetes. Well, during the course of any time you focus on what you. Think you want the, which is why my book, I think is useful is the underlying stuff will come up. Right? So I wanted my, so let's just as an example, I wanted to heal myself of type one diabetes. So then the my eyes started having issues, and in the medical community, if you've been diabetic for oh, a certain amount of years, you can lose your toes and fingers and limbs and you can go blind, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't listen to that.

Pam: 33:41

Well, it's the same thing of whatever you focus on. You get. So if you're like exactly, if you're like, oh God, I'm a type one diabetic and I'm gonna lose my fingers and my limbs, and I'm gonna go blind then. Guess what?

Susan: 33:51

Exactly. And so from the beginning, when I, when I. From that first insulin shot that I, and I have to take shots four or five, 10 times a day. It depends or test my blood at least 10 times a day. So, and people go, oh my God, that's I could never do that. I could never be Diab. Well, guess what? It's either you live or you die, there's your choice, right? Either you can be sick. Or you can get healthy. So again, what are you choosing to focus on? Right. And so I, I called my circle of women. I said I have eye issues. I, it, I had one doctor say it was in both eyes. You're gonna have to have weekly shots in both eyes. I okay. Just imagine getting a shot in your eye. That's scary thing. Yeah, I flipped. And so I called these women and they sat down and started doing whatever it is. They do energetically. And I've had it ended up the first appointment. I went to a new doctor. It was one eye. So the other eye already resolved just with those women and my intention to heal turning from, oh my God. I'm not gonna go blind to I'm healing my eyesight. Right. I have clear vision. I see with the eyes of love. And then I did have to have. Two shots in my right eye. Scary shit again. But but we kept the women whenever I was having an upcoming appointment, the women would come in and do energy work non locally. Everybody, you don't have to have somebody do energy work on you. No. While you're in the room, you're all

Pam: 35:24

interconnected.

Susan: 35:25

Exactly. So I just had a, another doctor appointment. This has been a year's journey. And the doctor's your eyes are great. They're good. They're healed. They're done. You come back in six months. We'll just double check, but you're fine. Okay. So this is the power of where you put your attention. Am I gonna put my intention on fear and this addresses everybody that was running around like chicken little during the pandemic? Correct. Am I gonna put my attention on fear? I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die or I'm gonna go blind, like in my case, or am I gonna put my attention on truth and trusting and having faith that there is an infinite supply and this infinite supply is source energy that flows in and through and around everything. And if I can align myself daily, I do it daily. With a higher vibration of love. So the, so for me, it's focusing on love because love is really the healing agent.

Pam: 36:31

It's the, is a connection. Yes. The highest vibrational

Susan: 36:34

emotion. Yep, exactly. And it connects us all when we're in love, we feel open and self-expressed, and we are welcoming to others and kind, and. Focusing on that vibration and calling that energy into my physical body. And I see it now, I was washing my cells with love. I was, a lot in You're not old enough Pam, but in, in the eighties when the aids pandemic was ramp rampant. And this is what we just went through was very, it just reminded me so much of that. People were dying, horrible deaths, right. And left, a lot of them were my friends and and the focusing on I'm gonna die. Amp, caused it to happen sooner And and, or I, there was one friend of mine who had aids, but he also got diagnosed with cancer. And so one of his close friends said for him to visualize the cells healing, visualize love entering into the cells. Now he did that for a while, but the man had already UN he had already said, yes, I, yes, I have aids. And yes, I have cancer. So therefore the death now was told, it was so, so you have to have this absolute commitment to trusting your inner guidance, to help you create your life, whether it's creating health or financial wellness or or that loving relationship. I'll share this last thing when you. Sorry. The, I knew I knew I had a second half of life and I wanted to have a really healthy relationship cuz I came out of an unhealthy relationship and so as it was getting close to the divorce finishing I started just kind of mentally making the list of what I wanted in my next relationship. Like I wanted a man who was kind. That was the top of my list, kind. Fun, loves travel and artistic and music. And all these things down to a full head of hair, cuz I was in my fifties, a lot of the guys in, in, sorry guys, but you know, a lot of them. Shave their heads now because they lost their hair. Right. And my, and I had two, my two girlfriends, again, that I was with. They're like, you're not gonna find somebody that has a full head of hair. I said, just watch. So the day after I got the final divorce paper, this you guys, if you have not listened to any Abraham Hicks, there's short little video pops. She's got up now on. it will enlighten you if you haven't. But this is exactly a manifestation thing. Manifesting thing. I get my divorce paper on a Saturday, Sunday. I went to the center for spiritual living, where I was serving as a practitioner and minister and after service, I was standing, waiting to do prayer work with someone. And this person comes up behind from behind me, puts his hands on my shoulders and my entire electrical system on my body went and woke up. I was like, oh my God, who is this? And I turn around and here's this man who I'm now with, who is the epitome of kindness and compassion. And he has a pull head of hair and he had all the other, he loves to travel and all that stuff. And I, because. I knew that's what I wanted. And so then I also was aware what would be, what I call markers to make me pay attention to this is the person or this is. The thing I want that I've been asking for stuff like that. So, so people, I just wanna encourage your listeners. If you're going through a really rough experience in your marriage or divorce, or you come out of divorce and you still are feeling ungrounded. There are many ways to create co-create. Your future and the life that you really were meant to live.

Pam: 40:29

And I think so much of that goes back to that idea of of worthiness because you could have met this man that you're now with, and if you had the underlying belief, like the friend of yours that had already attached to the idea of, I have cancer, I have aids. If you had an underlying belief that said, But you are not worthy of a relationship like that. You could write down all the things, but if you have a subconscious story that says you're not worthy of that, then when the person shows up, you're gonna miss the markers. You're gonna miss the awareness of it, or you're gonna just consciously discount it. I mean, that's a, that person's a great person, but like, why would they wanna be with me? Right. There's these stories, whether they're right in front of us and we're saying them out of our mouths or whether they're just kind of, they've seeped into us, energetically, you gotta. We've gotta all of us, if you want health wellness and be aligned with source energy and all of those things, you've, it begins with worthiness. You have to recognize that you're worthy of all those things.

Susan: 41:28

So, and that, and again, it takes practice and I utilized tons of affirmations to remind my mind. So I'm gonna riff on your, on the title of your show, Pam, because you have to get out of your mind and drop into your heart. In order to really understand the truth of who you are. The mind is just a monkey wheel, really that's analyzing and sorting and judging and choosing, and it doesn't really. It is another tool but the heart is where your spirit, your soul resides. It's where your wisdom, your intuition reside. And when you can really listen to that, then life just opens up and beautiful seemingly miraculous ways, because then you're more tuned in and tuned up into. What that vibration of love is so, right.

Pam: 42:30

Yeah, totally. So what are you doing with people right now? And I, you said you've working, you've worked with people one on one. I know you love the community environment. What kind of work are you doing with people right now?

Susan: 42:44

Well, I only have one or two clients right now. Last year when I did a hard stop last year. And that's when I called this circle of healers and dedicated myself to daily healing and listening and I've shifted so much. And so I'm not really working with clients if somebody wants. So here's the deal. I will take on new clients if they are willing to do the work. Yeah. Cause I, this is my favorite kind of clients. yeah. And they're fun. And I learn so much and they get, and they learn so much. And, but I'm done with people coming in and not wanting to it's just, I, my, my time is. See, that's how we're the, I am, my time is valuable. And so, if people want to work with me, it they gotta be willing to do the work. And it's not a one off, I've had a couple people, oh, can I have one session? No, you can't. And here's why, because the work I do is energetic. And so you'll walk away and things will turn around and you. You can't see the connect, the dots of it was what we did in the session that helped you to shift and move forward in your life. Right. So, and plus usually one session just kind of peels that first layer. So yeah. So if people wanna work with me, it's like a good 10, 10 sessions and with commitment.

Pam: 44:09

Yeah. And so you also have a

Susan: 44:10

podcast. I have a podcast called thank you so much for bringing that up. I have a podcast called empowering chats with Susan Burrell and there's some really I talk with people. I talk with authors, I interview authors. Who are interesting to me, they may not be interesting to other people, but they're fascinating to me, but I also have been interviewing people that have amazing life stories at women that have amazing life stories, because I think it's important to be inspired by those of us who have gone through the gamut and worked it out and come out on the other side. Different or transformed and it's interesting. I interviewed this author, Matt McKay. I talk about him all the time. Are you familiar with Matt? Yes. Yes. So I interviewed Matt last year on his book that came out the luminous landscape of the afterlife. I was fascinated. It was a lot that was in there that I already kind of knew and It's a book that he channeled from his son, Jordan who's crossed over. And and when I was done talking to Matt, I heard very loudly. He got to teach this class, got to teach it as a class. So at the beginning of the year, I created with his permission. Created a class with guided meditations and it was that class was really deep and transformative. When during that class, I started getting these books by authors that wrote about that are therapists doing past life regressions life between live regressions. And so I've ha I've been able to have these amazing conversations with three or four other authors that have informa, it's every day to them, yeah. What, the information that comes in, they're like, wow, this is really cool. And so. Yeah. So empowering chats with Susan Burrell. There's some interesting interesting information there. Nice.

Pam: 46:03

And so you have that, you have your book and then for those that are really committed to doing the work, they can always reach out to you. And then are you say you had this, you taught this class. Are you teaching any other like group things, workshops, anything like

Susan: 46:16

that? Well, last year when I did my hard stop, I had two classes that were just, you. A five day, two hours a week. Yep. Class called, are you a light leader? Because when pandemic happened and I was in meditation, I heard clearly that it was part of my mission to activate light leaders, not light workers. But light leaders because where we're going, we need people that lead with light. Yes. Not with their mind and not with the hierarchical idea of how things are supposed to be, because that's really just done. That's so antiquated. It just is why we're seeing everything crumbling. So, I taught those classes, but when I did my hard stop, I was like, and so I, every once in a while I sit down, huh, what class do I wanna teach? And nothing's really. Like Matt's book grabbed me the luminous landscape. I was like, okay, got I. I, I mean, I, my guides wouldn't shut up until I said fine. I'll do it. Right. So, but I also do guided meditations. I did a weekly guided meditation. I have a bunch probably, I think there's 50 on insight timer and people can. Through my website go directly to where my guided meditations are. If they wanna let, some of them are five minutes. Some of'em are 20, 25 minutes. And it's just, I just open up and let spirit flow through me. And it's always. It's just fascinating what the meditation becomes. So do you find that after the

Pam: 47:49

fact when you were to go back and listen to it, you're like, yeah. I don't remember saying that.

Susan: 47:53

Oh, I don't remember saying that.

Pam: 47:54

That's the same. I have the same experience all the time. I'm like, I have no idea. Like people will ask me questions and I'll say things we'll have conversations and they're like, Hey, can you go back to that thing? And I'm like, no, I

Susan: 48:02

can't and right, because you're you it's not necessarily that we are channelers but we are. The information comes through. It needs to be said, or sometimes not said, but and once it's said I don't know. I have students constantly. Oh my God. When you told me that in the class last year, I'm like, I don't even remember the class. So

Pam: 48:20

you're like me. I said that. Okay.

Susan: 48:22

Yeah. Yeah. Great. That's great. I'm so, but the other the flip of that is, I'm so grateful that what comes out of our mouths. Helps an individual to transform. It's that's a gift, it's a gift that we have that we give freely. Right, right. It's beautiful. Yeah.

Pam: 48:40

So Susan, where do you hang out online? Do you have any places, any platforms where people can see your content regularly or

Susan: 48:46

Well, I'm on all the, all the things. Yeah. All the things, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn. Is there anything else? And then all the podcasts are on, Spotify and apple and cool. Yeah. So, and the website is Susan Burrell, B U R E L L.com. So you can, you can find me there. It

Pam: 49:08

sounds like everything links into there. So wherever other places you are, if they find you at the website, they can click on the buttons. That's the hub.

Susan: 49:16

Yeah. Yeah. That's the hub. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. Well, this has

Pam: 49:21

been amazing and I'm so glad that we had the opportunity to sit down and chat and Yeah, I'm just my brain's going in all sorts of different. I could probably talk for another three hours with you, but that would be a really long podcast. So

Susan: 49:32

it would be, or, so maybe we just come back and do a little bit, do a check in,

Pam: 49:36

Later. Yeah. That would be amazing. That would be amazing. Yeah.

Susan: 49:38

So thank you, Pam. Yeah.

Pam: 49:40

Thanks. Thanks so much for being here. And guys, if there's anything in particular that speaks to you in today's episode, Please share it, take a screenshot of you listening and tag us, or message us on all the social media platforms that you want. I will link all that stuff up in the show notes. So it's super easy. You can click and find us and all the, all that good stuff, but as always, I appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you so much for being here and listening this week. And I look forward to seeing you next week. Take care guys.